Sinclair Collis

[FlintVending]

There have been rumours for a while (via certain national pub chains) that nuts may be prohibited from the front of house in the future due to alergen risk under ever tightening regs, feckin' what next...

That is absolutely ridiculous! When will governments stop taking what little pleasures we have left!
One more thing like this and I'm off to Mars!

Daz

If you go there, give my regards to Happy Dave!

Nigel

[Vendition Ltd]

Paul, I can't see how the nuts for the fag machines will work as most pubs are under contract for all their nuts and savoury and generally make a lot more selling their own than in any vending machine

spock

what on earth are you on about mate, i have never come across a pub that is under contract for nuts, maybe a managed place but thats it..

they are doing nuts from salysol,pringles and our very good friends at Vending Revolution are supplying them sweets, seen it with my own eyes mate..

Dave most pubs I go to say they are under contract for all their savoury products behind the bar. Anyway they don't want any savoury products from me anyway as they all tell me they make a lot more than 20p per pack so can't see how I can really break into this market

Regards

Ross

[Happyvending]

Paul, I can't see how the nuts for the fag machines will work as most pubs are under contract for all their nuts and savoury and generally make a lot more selling their own than in any vending machine

spock

what on earth are you on about mate, i have never come across a pub that is under contract for nuts, maybe a managed place but thats it..

they are doing nuts from salysol,pringles and our very good friends at Vending Revolution are supplying them sweets, seen it with my own eyes mate..

Dave most pubs I go to say they are under contract for all their savoury products behind the bar. Anyway they don't want any savoury products from me anyway as they all tell me they make a lot more than 20p per pack so can't see how I can really break into this market

Regards

Ross

just tell them that they make a little more than 20p but ask what happens whan staff give away,steal or forget to ring the nuts or crisps thro the till, the profit on maybe 4 bags is gone..

then tell them that they havnt got to worry about it any more as you will take care of it all for them, offer them 25% comm,....well i dont need to tell you the rest do i?


dave

try products that cant be stolen, again you know what i am on about dont you..

regards

Dave

[dorsetvending]

Excellent advice

[glennborthwick]

Government vows to defend cig vending machine ban

9 March, 2011

By James Wilmore

Ban on course to come into force on October 1 - despite legal challenges

The government has vowed to continue to fight legal challenges from the tobacco industry and push ahead with a ban on cigarette vending machines from October 1.

The Department of Health (DoH) has today published a 57-page document - Healthy Lives, Healthy People: A Tobacco Control Plan for England – which sets out the coalition’s proposals on tobacco for the next five years.

“We are robustly defending the legislation to stop the sale of tobacco products from vending machines against two judicial review cases brought by the tobacco industry,” it states.

“From 1 October 2011, tobacco products will no longer be sold from vending machines in England.”


Machine provider Sinclair Collis, part of Imperial Tobacco, is among those which has mounted legal challenges against the ban.

But the DoH argues that as vending machines are self-service, they offer young people “easy and poorly supervised access to tobacco”.

The government has also confirmed plans to ban tobacco displays in shops, but will delay implementation to reduce the impact on shops.

Health Secretary Andrew Lansley said: “Smoking is undeniably one of the biggest and most stubborn challenges in public health. Over eight million people in England still smoke and it causes more than 80,000 deaths each year.

“Smoking affects the health of smokers and their families. My ambition is to reduce smoking rates faster over the next five years than has been achieved in the past five years.”

[david@naughtyvend]

Surely this is a greater issue than just selling fags from vending machines?

I don't know about you but as a cigar smoker it pisses me off that after a meal or hard day when staying in a hotel etc., you can not light up and relax and in particular in a bar... cigs and drink go hand in hand. This is Nanny State nonsense and what we should have are "DESIGNATED" areas either within establishments with improved ventilation and / or venues such as bars which are smoking friendly, consumer demand would level out the requirement and that would allow caveats in regulation to state that you can have cigarette vending but only in an approved zone. Part of this would be that all smoking pubs would not have children on the premises at any time, what we have left at the moment are glorified diners (restaurants) with a bar area... they are no longer pubs.

This is yet another broadbrush decision which has not been fully thought through. I don't mean we should have those ridiculous air-conditioned pends that they tried at some airports like Stanstead, I mean either a seperate room when required (like a restaurant because it's unfair on other diners) or a clear statement of choice. So what we'd up up with are pubs with big warning signs on the door stating that you can have a fag in this pub, if you object we suggest you drink elsewhere or put up and shut up, take your noisy brats with you.

What's wrong with that? It's how we got here that needs re-examined not the vending issue but why it is now an issue...

[FlintVending]

Surely this is a greater issue than just selling fags from vending machines?

I don't know about you but as a cigar smoker it pisses me off that after a meal or hard day when staying in a hotel etc., you can not light up and relax and in particular in a bar... cigs and drink go hand in hand. This is Nanny State nonsense and what we should have are "DESIGNATED" areas either within establishments with improved ventilation and / or venues such as bars which are smoking friendly, consumer demand would level out the requirement and that would allow caveats in regulation to state that you can have cigarette vending but only in an approved zone. Part of this would be that all smoking pubs would not have children on the premises at any time, what we have left at the moment are glorified diners (restaurants) with a bar area... they are no longer pubs.

This is yet another broadbrush decision which has not been fully thought through. I don't mean we should have those ridiculous air-conditioned pends that they tried at some airports like Stanstead, I mean either a seperate room when required (like a restaurant because it's unfair on other diners) or a clear statement of choice. So what we'd up up with are pubs with big warning signs on the door stating that you can have a fag in this pub, if you object we suggest you drink elsewhere or put up and shut up, take your noisy brats with you.

What's wrong with that? It's how we got here that needs re-examined not the vending issue but why it is now an issue...

David

You should be a politician, you would get my vote!
The above observations are pure common sense, unforetuantely there seem to be no room for common sense in the UK any more.
Just look at our criminal justice system. It used to be the envy of the world, now it is just a sick joke!

[BigVend]

I understand your point, but it's not as simple as that. Personally I'm delighted that smoking is banned in public places, but I also do agree that if someone wants to designate a pub or closed area for smoking, then they should be able to.

However the reality of implementing that is much harder. Only 20% or so of all adults in the UK now smoke. It is extremely unlikely therefore that most pubs would choose to convert themselves to smoking and alienate 80% of non-smokers as compared to the current situation of causing minor inconvenience to 20%. There might be the market for the odd 'local' to become a dedicated smoking pub, but they'd be taking a risk that people would travel further to them just to smoke inside. As for segregated areas, very few pubs would see it worth the money spending on creating one, instead of just making people stand outside, which they do now.

The pub market is also vastly different. In the 1940s, pubs were full of men, 70%+ of them smoked and all they sold was beer. Now most successful pubs are full of families, serve food and people buy their booze in Tescos and drink it at home. Pubs are a shrinking concept and have been for decades.

Pubs can make 50%+ margins on a family meal and drinks at £40-£100+ or a 10% margin on 6 pints of beer and a packet of crisps at £20. Pretty clear which ones are surviving and which ones are closing.

[Vendingwarehouse]

I understand your point, but it's not as simple as that. Personally I'm delighted that smoking is banned in public places, but I also do agree that if someone wants to designate a pub or closed area for smoking, then they should be able to.

However the reality of implementing that is much harder. Only 20% or so of all adults in the UK now smoke. It is extremely unlikely therefore that most pubs would choose to convert themselves to smoking and alienate 80% of non-smokers as compared to the current situation of causing minor inconvenience to 20%. There might be the market for the odd 'local' to become a dedicated smoking pub, but they'd be taking a risk that people would travel further to them just to smoke inside. As for segregated areas, very few pubs would see it worth the money spending on creating one, instead of just making people stand outside, which they do now.

The pub market is also vastly different. In the 1940s, pubs were full of men, 70%+ of them smoked and all they sold was beer. Now most successful pubs are full of families, serve food and people buy their booze in Tescos and drink it at home. Pubs are a shrinking concept and have been for decades.

Pubs can make 50%+ margins on a family meal and drinks at £40-£100+ or a 10% margin on 6 pints of beer and a packet of crisps at £20. Pretty clear which ones are surviving and which ones are closing.

I agree Guy, that is the actual reality of it all.

[Happyvending]

dont know where you get your figs from Guy and i dont have any to back what i am going to say upbut i would say that it is much higher than 20% smoking...


looks like i have stolen a march again on them, Electronis cigs is where its at people..